Dating Vintage Guitars and Amps by Source-Date Code

Sometimes there just isn't enough information on electric instruments and amps to allow them to be properely dated. And many people ask me to try and determine the year of their old amplifier, or to help them with the year of their older off-brand electric guitar.

Since I primarily collect amps by Fender, and guitars by Gibson, Fender, Martin, National, Epiphone, Gretsch and Rickenbacker, I really can't help them with these other less popular brands. As you have probably noticed, there is plenty of information here to help date the brands that I am interested in. But where does that leave everyone else?

Well I'm not one to leave you out in the (informational) cold, so here's something that I use quite often in dating amplifiers and electric guitars. It's called the "source-date code", and it can help determine the approximate age of an electric instrument by the date its components were manufactured.

Source-Date Codes : On American made vintage gear, the pots and speakers provide an excellent opportunity to date a piece of equipment by referencing their "source-date code".

The source-date code found on pots and speakers gives the manufacturer and date (roughly) when the components were made. It may have been some time before the part was installed at the factory, but it still provides a good approximation of when the gear was made. This is especially helpful on (less popular) gear that doesn`t have reliable serial#`s or other information to date them.

The source-date code will signify the earliest possible date that the instrument or amp could have been made. This isn't going to be exact, but it will give you a "ball-park" age. And remember, even the dates indicated by the pots aren't that exact. For example, if you buy a brand new CTS pot today, they are dated a month or two in advance! I don't know the reason for this, but it's worth mentioning.

The source-date codes are under the framework of the "Electronic Industries Association", which is a non-profit organization representing the manufacturers of electronic parts. The EIA source-date code is a numeric code, assigned and registered by the EIA. It can be stamped or marked on any product to identify the production source (vendor) and date of manufacturer. Source-date codes have been published by the EIA since 1924. The EIA can be contacted via mail: Electronics Industries Association, 2001 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, D.C. 20006.

Consideration and exceptions : Source-date codes weren't an industry standard until after WWII. But I have seen them used on Stackpole pots on electric National guitars as early as 1935. The first time date-source codes were published was 1924, so I guess you could see them as early as the late 1920's.

Most Fenders from 1966 to 1969 have 1966 dated CTS pots. Apparently CBS/Fender bought a large stock of pots in 1966 that lasted till 1969.

On popular Fender models, the pot date can be very close to the actual date of the instrument. On less popular Fender instruments, such as LapSteels, pots can be as much as two years earlier than the actual date of the instrument. Gibson didn't start using pots with source-date codes till 1953 or 1954.

Originality : Of course this all assumes the pot or speaker is original. You have to make that call. I would suggest checking the solder joints - are they clean? Are the wires of the right era (cloth insulation for older stuff)? If so, you can check the pot or speaker for the source-date code, and determine an approximate age from that.

How the Source-Date Code Works. The source-date code on a pot is a 6 or 7 digit code impressed into the casing of the potentiometer. For speakers this code can be 5, 6, 7 or 8 digits long, and it's ink-stamped or paint-stamped on the "bell housing" of the speaker.

In either case, the code works the same. The first 3 digits on a pot, or the first 2, 3 or 4 digits on a speaker are the source or manufacturer code.

The remaining 3 or 4 digits are the date code. In 3 digit dates code, the 1st digit is the last digit of the year. On 4 digits date codes, the 1st and 2nd digits are the last two digits of the year. In either case, the remaining 2 digits are the week of manufacture (01 to 52). With this in mind, remember if the last two digits of the source-date code are greater than 52, you're not looking at the source-date code!

Also it's worth mentioning:

Sometimes there is a space or hyphen between the manufacturer code and the year/week code.

3 digit date codes were used in the 1940's and 1950's.

4 digit date codes were used in the 1960's and later (this makes determining the year much simplier!).

On 3 digit date codes, you have to "guess" the decade of the pot or speaker. Usually this isn't too difficult.

Pots used by Fender. The middle one is a CTS pot (Chicago Telephone Supply, manufacturer #137) from the 30th week of 1966. The pots on the left and right are Stackpole pots (manufacture #304). Note the different position of the markings, even on pots from the same maker.

Left: The source-date code (285709) on a speaker. In this case, the speaker is made by Rola (285) in the 9th week of 1957 (709). The decade, though not directly shown by the source-date code, was easily determined because this particular amp was only made during the 1950s. Note the font style of the source-date code number always seems to be the same, for all speaker manufacturers.

Right: Same thing here. Jensen (220) speaker made in the 41st week of 1959 (941).

Pot Source Codes.  Here are the most common pot manufacturers (the first 3 digits of the source-date code):

106 = Allen-Bradley

134 = CentraLab

137 = CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply, pots and speakers)

140 = Clarostat

304 = Stackpole

381 = Bourns Networks

615 = IRC (International Resistive Company) - see below

Fender Products. During the 1950's, Fender used mostly Stackpole (#304) pots. Then in roughly early 1963, they changed to CTS (#137) pots. In 1967 (after CBS bought Fender), Fender bought a HUGE supply of pots from CTS. This supply lasted for over five years. So guitars and amps made as late as 1973 can still have 1967 date codes from this huge 1967 stocking.

All during Fender's life as an amplifier maker, then used speakers made by Jensen (#220), CTS (#137), Oxford (#465), Utah (#328) and Altec-Lansing (#391). Till about 1961, Jensen was the only Fender speaker supplier. Then from 1962 and later you see Fender using speakers from all the above mentioned makers.

National, Valco, Supro Amplifier Products. Note the use of "550" as a source code on these products. Actually, it's not a source code but is a manufacturers code for all National, Valco, Supro products. Found as second stamping on speakers as a date code 550XXX from 1947 through the 50's and 60's (all the 1940's amps are generally field coil Rola spkrs).

Manufacturer Source Codes. Below are many manufacturer source codes (which are the first 2,3, or 4 digits of the source-date code).

Common Guitar Speaker Manufacturers:

67 = Eminence

137 = CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply)

220 = Jenson

285 = Rola

308 = Stromberg-Carlson

328 = Utah

336 = Western Electric

391 = Altec-Lansing

416 = Heath

465 = Oxford

589 = Bogen

649 = Electro-Voice

Some tidbits on Jensen : Fender used Jensen speakers until 1972 when all Jensen production (and one engineer) was switched to The Rola Company in Cleveland OH (Rola was a division of Jensen). Prior to the re-structuring of Jensen in '71-'72, Jensen quality had suffered terribly. When Rola started to make speaker for Jensen in 1972, Rola initially used the Jensen 220 manufacturer code, but by the end of 1972 changed to the 285 Rola code. Regaining OEM customer confidence after the Jensen years was a long process due to the Rola-Jensen ties.

Other Speaker Manufacturers :

24 = Becker

101 = Admiral

106 = Allen-Bradley

119 = Automatic mfg.

125 = Bendix

130 = Panasonic

132 = Talk-a-Phone

145 = Consolidated

150 = Crecent

169 = Hitachi

185 = Motorola

188 = General Electric

213 = Dearborn Wire

230 = Littlefuse

232 = Magnavox

235 = Mallory - North American Capacitor

244 = Muter

245 = National

251 = Ohmite

252 = Dukane

258 = Perm-O-Flux

260 = Philco

270 = Quam-Nichols

274 = RCA

277 = Emerson

280 = Raytheon

300 = Speer

381 = Bourns

285 = Rola

286 = Ross

296 = Solar

312 = Sylania

336 = Western Electric

343 = Zenith

371 = Best

374 = Cletron

394 = Foster Transformer

423 = North American Philips (Norelco)

433 = Cleveland

449 = Wilder

466 = Delco

532 = Ward Leonard

549 = Midwest

555 = Waldom Electronics

575 = Heppner

649 = Electro-Voice

706 = Pioneer

719 = Carbonneau

722 = Milwaukee Resistor

742 = Esquire

748 = Russell

756 = Universal

767 = Quincy

787 = Sonatone

789 = McGregor

794 = Harmon Kardon

795 = Atlas

816 = Dale

828 = Midland

840 = Ampex

847 = University

918 = Oaktron

932 = Atlas

1056 = Fisher

1059 = Channel

1098 = Pyle

1113 = Acoustic Fiber Sound

1149 = Curtis Mathes

1191 = Micro Magnet

Tubes/Transistors Codes :

111 = Amperex (USA)

125 = Bendix

158 = DuMont

185 = Motorola

188 = General Electric Co (USA)

210 = Hytron (CBS-Hytron)

260 = Philco

274 = RCA (Radio Corp of America)

280 = Raytheon

312 = Sylvania (Hygrade Sylvania Corp)

322 = Tung-Sol

366 = Western Electric

337 = Westinghouse

343 = Zenith Radio Corp (CRT's)

466 = Delco

980 = Texas Instruments

Capacitor Codes :

102 = Aerovox Corp

109 = American Condensor

134 = Centralab

135 = Chicago Condensor

163 = Aerovox Hi-Q Division

178 = John E Fast

188 = General Electric

235 = Mallory

240 = Micamold

242 = Millen

273 = Radio Condensor Company

296 = Solar

303 = Sprague (every Gibson lover's favorite!)

438 = Gudeman

446 = Good-All

461 = Barker & Wiiliamson

472 = Pyramid

516 = United Condensor

569 = Electrical Utilities Corp

616 = Illinois Capacitor (Condensor)

648 = American Radionic

658 = Sangamo

705 = Ajax

710 = Standard Condensor

732 = RMC (Radio Materials Corp)

885 = Condensor Manufacturers

Transformers & Coil Codes :

138 = Stancor (Chicago-Standard)

141 = Coil Engineering

172 = Ensign Coil

183 = Freed

194 = General Radio

218 = Jefferson Electric

238 = Thordarsen-Meissner

239 = Merit Coil & Transformer

305 = Standard Coil

352 = Essex (Transformer Division)

366 = New York Transformer

391 = Altec Lansing-Peerless

394 = Foster Transformer

412 = General Transformer

418 = United Transformer Corp (UTC)

489 = Radio-Television Products Corp

452 = Empire Coil

503 = Caledonia

524 = Triwec Transformer

549 = Midwest Coil & Transformer

550 = Standard Winding Co

572 = F & V Coil Winding

606 = Woodward-Schumacher

637 = Central Coil

682 = Electrical Windings

757 = Grand Transformers

773 = Forest Electric

776 = Ogden Coil & Transformer

830 = Triad

831 = Better Coil & Transformer

843 = Klipsch

878 = Acro Products (Acrosound)

883 = Mohawk

892 = American Transformer

897 = Tresco

906 = Coilcraft

908 = Aerocoil

928 = Acme Coil & Transformer

933 = Magnetic Coil Mfring

934 = Oaktron

1005 = Northlake

1052 = Pacific

Other Manufacturers :

139 = Cinch (Sockets, connectors)

152 = Crosley (Radios)

194 = General Radio (Test Equip)

199 = Hallicrafters (Ham & SW gear)

222 = E F Johnson (Sockets, ham xcvrs)

248 = Arvin (Sears radios & TVs)

254 = Packard Bell (TVs radios computers)

260 = Philco (Radios & TVs)

262 = Philmore (Hardware)

277 = Emerson (Radios & TVs)

343 = Zenith (Radios & TVs)

416 = Heath (Electronic kits)

772 = Muntz (Cheap TVs)

787 = Sonotone (Phono cartridges)

Examples of Source-Date Codes. With all this information in mind, can you identify the following manufacturer and date of these source-date codes?

220 7001 : Jensen speaker, 1st week of 1970.

137341 : CTS, 41st week of 1953 (or 1943 or 1963, but probably 1953 as source-date codes weren't used much during or before WWII, and 4 digit date codes weren't used till the 1960's and later).

304-6110 : Stackpole pot, 10th week of 1961.

137848 : CTS, 48th week or 1948 or 1958.

4656755 : Not a source-date code. Can you see why? If you can't, read the above information again!

Here's another example : 304809

Dernière mise à jour de cette page le 08/02/2010

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